Watchtower Prophetic Date Setting Depatment
Sea Breeze
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What's Wrong with the Watchtower?
by Vanderhoven7 innot sure who wrote this list a while back but i think it is worth a repeat....to be added to or subtracted from or modified...whatever.. what's wrong with the watchtower.
"overlapping generations" - this teaching makes no sense.
the word used by jesus is in the singular, not plural form.. .
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HOW TO BE LOYAL TO JEHOVAH
by liam ina post from another exjw site, shows how throughout the years, in a regular, systematic fashion, the watchtower has influence thoroughly; an ideological point of view, in the minds of it’s members by using bible scriptures and examples, to get the members to do the unthinkable, even if it clashes with modern ethics.
february 2016 watchtower, paragraph 3 of the article titled .
"learn from jehovah’s loyal servants".
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Sea Breeze
In an attempt to cover up his adultery with Bath-sheba, David had Abishai’s brother Joab arrange to have her husband, Uriah, killed in battle. (2 Sam. 11:2-4, 14, 15; 1 Chron. 2:16)
Abishai may have known something about this, but he continued to respect David as the king appointed by God.I believe this is the first time that I have seen the WT subtley request loyalty while the annointed was in the commission of a "gross sin" like adultery and murder. You can hear the snake hissing behind this one.
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HOW TO BE LOYAL TO JEHOVAH
by liam ina post from another exjw site, shows how throughout the years, in a regular, systematic fashion, the watchtower has influence thoroughly; an ideological point of view, in the minds of it’s members by using bible scriptures and examples, to get the members to do the unthinkable, even if it clashes with modern ethics.
february 2016 watchtower, paragraph 3 of the article titled .
"learn from jehovah’s loyal servants".
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Sea Breeze
I never can tell if there is really some insidious 'master plan' at work, or if they are just totally clueless.
How can you not see the master plan? I'll be honest here. I have never considered myself much of a "religious man". I am more interested in business, acquiring wealth, and promulgating my family, children and future grand children.
I learned to reverse engineer things if I wanted success. Just start where you see an end point and work your way backwards little by little until you have enough of the parts to duplicate.
When I applied the same process to Watchtower, I saw an elaborate attempt to dismantle the promises of God in the NT. WT bafoonery is what really got me interested in God again after leaving. That, coupled with much pain in losing my mom to this hideous cult.
Think about it. What are the odds that a "Christian" religion would piece together an elaborate scheme of spiritualizing old testament themes to arrive at the conclusion that people can get saved by rejecting a deal brokered by a man who walked out of a tomb that guaranteed the forgiveness of sins?Matthew 26:27-28New International Version27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Master plan? Nah, it was just an accident.
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Maddison, WI Shool Shooting - 3 Dead
by Sea Breeze inlike the one in tennessee, this one in maddison, wi, was done be a female.
the police chief points out that: .
“yes, i don’t know whether [the shooter] was transgender or not, and quite frankly, i don’t think that’s even important.
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Sea Breeze
As I suspected; It looks like the shooter was a new student at the Christian School, first semester. She previously attended public school at Madison Metropolitan School District.
Both of our kids went to a non-denominational K-12 Christian school the same size as the one in WI. I've seen parents take their kids out of public school and enroll the kids in a Christian School thinking that the proiblem with their child is their environment. Wrong. Their kids were just as troubled.
You can't feed kids a years-long steady diet of woke ideology, nihlism and evolution while living in a home without love and expect them to not be mentally ill. -
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1922 Cedar Point Ohio Convention
by Nambo ini recall reading that daniel 12 verse 12 ( 12 blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
), was claimed to have been fulfilled by the cedar point ohio convention in 1922.. can anybody recall which publications this claim was published in please?.
or even better, a screen shot.
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Sea Breeze
I think one flew over the cukoos nest at that convention. Some of their insanity can be found here:
- w60 6/15 pp. 377-381
- Part 40—“Your Will Be Done on Earth”
Here's their timeline:
Began the end of January, 1919
Ended the first half of September, 1922, at the second Cedar Point (Ohio) convention
“THE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY-FIVE DAYS” (Daniel 12:12, AT):
Began the first half of September, 1922, at the second Cedar Point (Ohio) convention
Ended in the month of May, 1926, at the London (England) International Convention
“TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED EVENINGS AND MORNINGS” (Daniel 8:14, RS):
Began in the month of May, 1926, at the London (England) International Convention (May 25-31)
Ended on October 15, 1932, with the official publication of notice in The Watchtower
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JW vs. Christian Message To the World - The Kingdom of God, or Reconciliation with God?
by Sea Breeze inafter stuydying jw's for over half a century, i haved concluded the following: .
old light / new light is a primary doctrine of jehovah’s witneses.
when they abandon on old prophecy or change a doctrine, they characterize this as “old light”.
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Sea Breeze
Could you please elaborate on preaching the good news of the kingdom and the ministry of reconciliation ?
Jesus said that he was sent to the “lost sheep of house of Israel”, not Gentiles. But, they chose to kill him rather than be ruled by him. He later revealed in a Revelation to John that he would raise up 144k male Jewish virgins to preach the good news of the (coming) kingdom during the GT .
In the meantime, Jesus raised up The Apostle Paul as an “Apostle to the Gentiles”.
All the apostles founded Christian churches by announcing that God had been propitiated by a deal (covenant) brokered by Jesus, mankind’s Mediator.
No more was man God's enemy as far as God was concerned. “Whosoever” accepted the offer was Justified, meaning that they have zero sin debt to pay for; and hence are legally eligible for every conceivable blessing from God including the biggest prize of all - “sonship”.
The Ministry of Reconciliation swept the Roman world and has been the message of Christians for almost 2000 years.
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Jolene Chu and Ollimatti Peltonen publication
by careful injust published in cambridge university press's elements in new religious movements series, a short book or oversized pamphlet is now available by two witnesses, jolene chu from warwick and ollimatti peltonen from the selters branch.
https://www.amazon.com/jehovahs-witnesses-elements-religious-movements/dp/1009509764.
it's small, just 84 pages, including the bibliography.
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Sea Breeze
The Watchtower has long referred to Christians as:
1. Bird food that will feed the fowls of heaven with their rotting flesh
2. Dung on the surface of the earth
3. Whores and prostitutes
4. Vomit eaters
They found out that they don't need to hate Christians as much as they used to, to get the same desired effect.
Belief in the doctrines of self atonement, 2nd chance theology and Arianism seem to be quite sufficient all by themselves to get people to reject "the forgiveness of sins" stipulated in the new covenant offered in Mt. 26: 227-28.
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JW vs. Christian Message To the World - The Kingdom of God, or Reconciliation with God?
by Sea Breeze inafter stuydying jw's for over half a century, i haved concluded the following: .
old light / new light is a primary doctrine of jehovah’s witneses.
when they abandon on old prophecy or change a doctrine, they characterize this as “old light”.
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Sea Breeze
Touch of Grey,
We all know your position.
But this thread is about the very different messages that JW's and Christians bring to the world. Both can be found in NT scripture:
The Kingdom of God vs. Reconciliation with God
Which is the correct message for Christians?
Note: JW's rejected and shut off the ministry of reconciliation (Justification) with God in the 1930's.
(See Wt. 1938 PG. 104-105 - "The… other sheep… are… not even justified“)
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JW vs. Christian Message To the World - The Kingdom of God, or Reconciliation with God?
by Sea Breeze inafter stuydying jw's for over half a century, i haved concluded the following: .
old light / new light is a primary doctrine of jehovah’s witneses.
when they abandon on old prophecy or change a doctrine, they characterize this as “old light”.
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Sea Breeze
After stuydying JW's for over half a century, I haved concluded the following:
Old Light / New Light is a primary doctrine of Jehovah’s Witneses. When they abandon on old prophecy or change a doctrine, they characterize this as “old light”. When they issue a new prophecy or issue a new policy, they characterize this as “new light”.
The average JW is so indoctrinated and psychologically invested in Watchtower they cannot see the deception that is so obvious to outsiders.
Galatians 1: 8–9 shows that Christians have been sharing the same gospel message since the times of the apostles. This scripture TWICE curses anyone who preaches a message that the apostles didn’t preach. This scripture destroys the heretical JW doctrine of “new light”.
JW’s do not preach the Christian message. They imagine that they preach a message given to 144K male Jewish virgins spoken of in Revelation during the Great Tribulation.
Christians preach the apostolic message of “reconciliation with God” through the blood covenant offered in Mt. 26: 27–28 "for the forgiveness of sins" and being born again. JW's preach a future kingdom message that will be rather dramatically delivered by male Jewish virgins during the GT.
The Christian message:
2 Cor. 5 : Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
Any questions, comments, disagreements or observations?
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Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy
by Listener inalthough not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".
the first paragraph asks '1.
what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?
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Sea Breeze
I’m sure it was no accident that this was announced on Aprils Fools’ Day.